Two questions:

1. Does their steal/hide ability base off of piety ??

2. Do all clerics get the same stat points per level ??
ex: cleric of enoch gets int at level a, g, and e and so will a cleric of kamira.

1) Yes: piety is important for a cleric of Kamira in regards to hiding and stealing.

2) All clerics get the same stat bonus - note the statfinder doesn't ask you what kind of cleric you want to be.

Follow-up questions then
Does this mean that all multi-classes that are half cleric and some dex based class (assassin, thief, fighter) will have piety act as dex?

What are the chances of having cleric/fighter open for testing/playing :-D

sulik wrote:

Does this mean that all multi-classes that are half cleric and some dex based class (assassin, thief, fighter) will have piety act as dex?

I never said this applied to anything beyond hiding or stealing, nor did I say it applied to any cleric besides Kamira.

sulik wrote:

What are the chances of having cleric/fighter open for testing/playing :-D

Pretty slim :P I dont have any intention of opening them up until I find out exactly what was wrong with them in the first place. If I can figure that out and fix it.... then maybe :P

cl/fs were withheld because they were considered remarkably similar to Ares clerics and they were coming out at just about the same time.

Question: is dex used whatsoever with kamira clerics? I have an interest in getting one pretty high and seeing what happens.

No one is going to elaborate on what the DMs meant when they said a long time ago that people would be amazed if they got it to level19?

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No one is going to elaborate on what the DMs meant when they said a long time ago that people would be amazed if they got it to level19?

I have a level 10 Kamira, and I am amazed....at how crappy and useless they are!
Sorry, but they just don't dodge well enough to compensate for mediocre vigs, light armor, cleric thac0, and minimal other trumps. Perhaps at level 19 they can dodge awesome - just like a level 16 rogue!

Believe me, if we knew what they meant, we'd either all have one by now, or no one would bother trying. I know Deviant got Hustler to level 16 and stopped after finding nothing worthwhile. I had one at level 12 on the previous server. For me, the "feeling of deja vous" was just too rare an occurrence. Seeing it once every hour of fighting wasn't out of the question. Regular dodging would happen, but not as often as I would have liked, given no offensive skills. Also, dodges would only happen on something you severely outleveled. I did feel the vigs were pretty reasonable.

I won't say that the stealing, searching well, hiding well, deja vous, and unnatural luck doesn't help, but they sure don't make leveling up at a low level any easier. Getting to 19, to be amazed is one thing. I would ALREADY be amazed if anyone got a Kamira to 19. I'd consider giving it another try but it's somewhere low on the list.

I suppose what they meant by us being amazed is that we could have a cleric who could reasonably avoid damage with a low AC and his two dodges, and with proper statting like mine has, very significant r-m. It would be very capable of avoiding shots.

But it is the only cleric with no offensive abilities. Give it turn or crank up the deja vous, that'd be nice.. Or just quit being so secretive about them.

Low AC? Don't they have to wear light armor? I think a cleric of Enoch or Gradius is more capable of achieving lower AC with the ability to wear heavy armor...but that's just my thoughts.

Not that every class needs to be combat-focused, but having a deep multitude of other skills is necessary.
Perhaps adding a "lucky pick" factor whereupon a cleric of Kamira can pick a lock that normally requires a key? That would be sweet!